Which, a guy at the DOC told me, was impressive for anyone. Krista There’s a whole method, but you’re very aware of who’s entering and who was there at the entrance and when you’re leaving, because you’re fucking stealing and man, there’s no phones there. I know for a fact that she was probably with me during that time, or at the school during that time. I’m not sure. Hae told Summer she would make her own way to Randallstown High for the match. :)” He tells Krista that Hae had been appearing in his dreams, that dreams like this have a certain significance in Islam. At least we’re gonna have that feeling that he’s somewhere where he doesn’t deserve to be.” They don’t necessarily worry about me being in prison because they come to see me and they see that I’m fine. Yes ma’am. But I don’t mean physically like no one was trying to beat me up or anything. Detectives found this note from Hae to Don in Hae's car, when they recovered it on February 28, 1999. Let me put it to you like this - I’ve seen more than I’d wanted to of a lot of people’s wives or girlfriends to last a lifetime. Original audio files can be found on Producing the transcripts subreddit during the original release period of the podcast are based on the Serial Podcast produced by This American Life and WBEZ Emily Condon is our production and operations manager. Being religious helps, which you hear about people all the time in prison, but I never thought about it too much before I got to know Adnan. I’m positive. Hae was somewhere. Adnan Syed They’d plant a tree for her; it’s still there in front of the school with a plaque. Adnan explains several things about this. I mean, like, I mean it’s just impossible. He told me he had weed in the car and was worried the cops were going to find it if they came to talk to him. Laura Estrada Sandoval “You should send me some pictures. What it’s like now to be locked up for so long. The next day we went to school and it was definite, right? Sarah Koenig I mean, no way, I had absolutely nothing to do with Hae’s murder but at the end of the day-- I can’t-- yeah. In May he turned eighteen and then moved over to be with the adults. Library. Being an entrepreneurial sort he ran a couple of side businesses, printing stuff and making copies for people. Eight days later, post sentencing, he writes Krista another letter and he’s so changed. Tell me again what you just told me. There’s a report in their files about that meeting, which oddly is dated September 14, almost seven months after the fact. View Serial 9.rtf from R 129 at Belvidere North High Sch. Very early in the morning on February 28, after they’ve spoken to Jay, after Jay has shown them where Hae’s car was parked off Edgewood Road, the detectives come into Adnan’s bedroom and wake him up, tell him to put some clothes on , it’s time to go. How could he ever turn around and say to them ‘I did it.’?” Adnan took issue with that. He’s got a group of friends he’s close with, guys who came into the system the same time he did. Krista’s parents were divorcing. I used to steal CDs from there all the time, so I was pretty aware of what was around. She tells the court about a Korean proverb that says, when parents die, they’re buried in the ground, but when a child dies, you bury the child in your heart. Adnan Syed Maybe that’s what Cathy interpreted as panicked. This graphic lays out the details of those differences. Everyone kept coming up to me, hugging me, it was just so much, so many people were like, “Are you OK? First, he wasn’t especially nervous right then. Sarah Koenig She accepted me and I could talk to her about anything or write to her about anything, so a lot of times that’s what it would be. All of the things that I’m unclear about or kinda shaky about, or-- I am clear on that. Sprite was her favorite soda. Krista There’s probably anywhere from fifty to a hundred people so everyone’s just sitting there. Next time, on Serial. 6:07, 6:09 and 6:24. Often when Adnan tells stories about this time, he zeros in on some small moment when someone was kind to him. One story told week by week. Sarah Koenig She was friends with Stephanie and with Jay and with Adnan. The fear, the money, the anguish. He knows it’s a rationalization of his situation but it’s been the most helpful one. What am I supposed to say? But at the end of the day, I have to take some responsibility. We know this because she said, “I disagree with you, Council. She’s the one who talked about hearing him ask Hae for a ride that afternoon, which Adnan said he didn’t do. I never, not one time, thought they actually believed that I killed Hae. It was just so many emotions, wondering how the heck could something like this happen to her. That she was cheerful and light and funny. Then it was just a few weeks then I was arrested. Krista Summer says it wasn’t a quick conversation either. Julie Snyder Lots of people told the cops and also told me that Adnan appeared to be in denial when they all first heard what had happened. It’s about what happened at Not-Her-Real-Name-Cathy’s apartment that evening of January 13. Learn vocabulary, terms, and more with flashcards, games, and other study tools. So, now Adnan is worried and then another thing that he hadn’t anticipated, that Hae’s mother was going to speak. “When I die, when I die my daughter will die with me. Our theme song is by Nick Thorburn, and remixed by Adam Dorn. We never heard back from them. Serial will follow one story – a true story – over the course of a whole season. They have a little breakfast club that he’s in charge of, another guy does lunch. Summer says she has no dog in this fight, she’s got no opinions on Adnan’s guilt or innocence. June 2,1999. If he’s getting in fights or seeing horrible things, he’s not telling me about it. We return to Joshua, the teenager in custody of the Ohio Department of Youth Services (ODYS). All Asian women look alike.”, Krista wrote down a chronology of everything she remembered from the previous six weeks. He pointed out to me that he’d never been independent anyway. For many, many months we tried to contact Hae’s family, to tell them we were doing this story, and in hopes that they might want to talk to us about Hae . All the stuff he tells me about is, at worst, PG-13. I think we can all stipulate that Adnan was super stoned. He didn’t have time to wrestle them into comprehension. Sarah Koenig He’s had his plan but, now, “on the other hand, I’d been thinking about what the lawyer said, about the judge getting upset. Laura Estrada Sandoval So his lawyer, Christina Gutierrez, had to figure out another way to encourage reasonable doubt. It’s kind of the opposite. Oliver's life takes an unexpected turn when he is unceremoniously reunited with an old friend. Adnan Syed There was the sheriff’s deputy who looked like Judd Hirsch who slipped him a candy bar. So, now Adnan is worried and then another thing that he hadn’t anticipated, that Hae’s mother was going to speak. Kelsey Asbille and Kelly Reilly in ‘Yellowstone’ season 2 episode 9 (Photo Credit: Paramount Network) As difficult as it is to accept, we’ve arrived at the penultimate episode of Paramount Network’s Yellowstone season two. Oh it looks like her! Then they drive Adnan into the city to an interrogation room in Homicide and hand cuff him to what he describes as a little hook in the wall. It would be hard to understand, you spend hours sitting in bullpens waiting. on! Directed by Rob Bowman. (pause) It’s something that weighs heavily on me. It was a looser place than where he is now, at North Branch, in Cumberland. That he was blank, or cried in heaving waves or not at all or that he seemed normal, or that he hid in the dark room in photography class or stared at a picture of him and Hae in psychology class. May 8, 2015. Sarah Koenig The Dallas Cowboys her favorite team, not because she cared about football but because she liked the colors blue and silver. Thank you. Our website where you can listen to all our episodes and find photos, letters, and other documents from the case, and sign up for our weekly emails, SerialPodcast.org. To tell him they’d misidentified this girl, whoever she was. Click on the image to see a larger version of the timeline. While most guys are really protective of their pictures, someone’s always pulling me aside to show me their latest flick. Sarah Koenig It’s impossible. I was talking with Laura on the phone the other day and she mentioned something about Best Buy and so I asked her if I could start taping. Krista Not at all. Sarah Koenig The day Hae disappeared, the wrestling team had a match at Randallstown High School. He dresses, sees his mother is watching, his older brother, his little brother Yusuf is crying. I didn’t make that phone call. Sarah Koenig There’s probably anywhere from fifty to a hundred people so everyone’s just sitting there. Sarah Koenig The pay phone in question is important because Jay tells the detectives that Adnan called him on January 13, 1999 and told Jay he’d killed Hae. This comes from the prosecutor’s narrative alone. Combine that if you want with old information from Asia McClain who says she saw Adnan at around 2:30, 2:45 at the Woodlawn Public Library. Sprite was her favorite soda. Being an entrepreneurial sort he ran a couple of side businesses, printing stuff and making copies for people. It’s impossible. It was a picture of Hae and at some point they said “we’ll leave you alone with this. I’m like thanks a lot. Support for Serial comes from MailChimp, celebrating creativity, chaos, and teamwork since 2001. Sarah Koenig I am positive. She’d dug out a trove of photos and yearbook stuff and letters. Is that something a distraught teenager would do? Our next episode, Episode 10, will come out December 4th. I got an email recently from another friend in that Woodlawn Magnet group. Previously, on Serial… :)” He asks how things are going with Andy, they’d been having problems. Sarah Koenig He-- Adnan called Detective O’Shea? I mean, this jerk is going to get up and give away the only thing I have, my innocence.” On this day, through a translator, Hae’s mother speaks. Then you sit for like another four or five hours, until you go to court at maybe ten or eleven o’clock in the morning. Adnan helped plan a memorial for Hae at school. Interestingly, Jim Trainum, the former homicide detective we hired to review the investigation, immediately disregarded every single statement about Adnan’s reaction. Even her watch looks like Hae’s watch. OK, now that we’re caught up, let’s go back to our regularly scheduled programme. Sarah Koenig Laura and I hypothesised why, if there really wasn’t a phone booth, how could the cops have missed a detail like that. 2:36 would not have been possible for her to even have met him wherever because I know for a fact that she was probably with me during that time, or at the school during that time. Episode 9 is all new information about what might NOT have happened on January 13, 1999. speak to him on February 26, 1999, two days before they’d arrest him. If you get up at three o’clock in the morning, then you go downstairs in the basement of the jail, you’re just sitting in a bullpen. Not so much about what happened the day of the crime, I feel like we’ve been over that already, but just about what it was like to be him throughout this case. To me it came across as being something like encouragement or some advisement. It was terrifying and sad. She tells the court about her daughter. Not uncommon. You know, you’re face to face, he’s right there, he’s a person. I gotta sit up straight, it was like a trial within the trial in a sense. Even after that conversation where your dad was there, you didn’t think like “uh oh”? Wouldn’t they have noted it? And maybe it was before he spoke to the cops not after, she can’t be sure, but that’s what she remembers. This time for Adnan is a blur, he says. Yeah, but him, the police, the prosecutors-- sure what happened to me happened to me, I had nothing to do with this right? I don’t know about you but I’m done considering that it’s true, this 2:36 thing. Sarah Koenig I would like to forgive Adnan Syed but as of now, I just don’t know how to do that and I just cannot do that right now.” Play Season One: Episode 09: To Be Suspected They were really good, and cheese on the inside. May 3, 2015. the white lady who was driving the cruiser that took him downtown. By this time, he’d fired Christina Gutierrez over the Asia letters and he’s being represented by a public defender he doesn’t really know. Do you know what I mean? He’s adaptable. You do know they are going to come after you now unless they find who did it because you’re the most recent ex-boyfriend.” So I can completely understand why you would ask me that but to be that person that had absolutely no ill will towards Hae, how anyone could, much less the police, could assume that I had something to do with it. They hadn’t interviewed Jenn or Jay yet. Sarah Koenig But it is true that Adnan has always been fine in prison. No pay phone, no phone booth. Adnan says the detectives left the room for a while, then came back. We used to tease each other because she really was hilarious, so we would tease each other and go back and forth and we were at least talking for at least ten minutes. It’s kind of cliched to say, going through a trial, but more so sitting there for so long, for so many days and weeks knowing that this jury is sitting there looking at me and ultimately they’re going to be the ones to make the decision. You didn’t think he meant you’re never going home. Yeah because you’re paying attention. Serial is a production of This American Life and WBEZ Chicago. Cristina Gutierrez I talked to a woman named Summer. Serial is a new podcast from the creators of This American Life, hosted by Sarah Koenig. May 1, 2015. Lisa Flynn They hadn’t interviewed Jenn or Jay yet. A new one he got, he couldn’t figure out how to make it work-- Also, the white lady who was driving the cruiser that took him downtown. That’s just the most frustrating thing in the world. That was about to change, but at that point he says that he was thinking of his sentencing as a procedure he needed to get through so he could immediately start the appeals process. Cathy There’s more than one bench conference during the trial in which they talk about the mother’s crying being a possible distraction to the jury. No one but me probably remembers this now but Ines Butler-Hendrix who worked at the school said Hae had told her she was planning to catch the Randallstown bus. People didn’t know what to think of me. Cathy Sorry, but-- A map of the relationships between some of the main people in the story. Sarah Koenig Complete Transcripts for Serial Podcast Season One Every episode, from 1 to 12, combined in one easy-to-search file These transcripts Chicago. It was a picture like a reward paper. Serial Episode 10 - Assignment 9. The eighth grade teacher whose name he can’t remember who wrote him that nice letter. If you want to speculate with me here for a second, if we suspect that there wasn’t a phone booth at Best Buy, that means the crime maybe didn’t happen there. Automated voice He didn’t end up facing the death penalty by the way. After I asked about his prison record, Adnan sent me a stack of copies, 21 different certificates and awards for completing this program or helping with that activity. There’s no phones there. She went to Woodlawn, she’s been listening to the podcast and she emailed me because when she heard this one part she said she started shaking her head. Membership has it’s privileges. Episode 9: To Be Suspected As the podcast develops an audience, those who knew the people involved begin to … She wasn’t allowed to testify in the second trial. Search. Next Thursday is Thanksgiving, so we are taking a week off. Adnan Syed From This American Life and WBEZ Chicago it’s Serial. Koenig has spoken … When asked if Syed had a relationship with Hae Min Lee, Syed replied in a soft voice ‘yes’, however he didn’t want his father to know.”, that’s actually what I was worried about, was upsetting him, the leak in the living room but there’s an earthquake coming in the next two minutes, but I’m worried about my father being upset, I had no idea whatsoever that this murder charge was going to be coming. You can listen to Serial in many places: right here on our site, on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, and on Pandora. Facing threats of a longer sentence, Joshua doesn’t contest the invocation of his suspended sentence. So maybe Aisha called Adnan at 6:09, says “I just talked to the police and they’re going to get in touch with you too.” Aisha says that Adnan was annoyed. Please donate whatever you can. It’s not a small detail! To remain silent. Obviously Adnan and Jay have different memories of Jan. 13, 1999. Laura Estrada Sandoval She visited him frequently when he was in prison in Jessup, Maryland, much closer than where he is now in Cumberland. Debbie Warren said she talked to Hae too, the police notes say she saw her at approximately 3 p.m. inside the school near the gym which would match Summer’s memory. Hae’s death was the defining event of her youth. Krista She wasn’t insecure, seemingly ever. None of Adnan’s friends saw anything strange in his behaviour. Sarah Koenig It’s really kinda disgusting.” He mentioned he’s gotten letters from other kids from school. As long as I live, my daughter is buried in my heart. Sarah Koenig Afterwards I was thinking, my god, no one believes in me. I would like to forgive Adnan Syed but as of now, I just don’t know how to do that and I just cannot do that right now.”. I would just literally be scribbling on a piece of paper, acting like I was taking notes. None of Adnan’s friends saw anything strange in his behaviour. So, that’s thing one. At this point Adnan asked for a lawyer. She said probably at around 2:30, 2:45. She just knows what she knows. About Hae, I can tell you only what I have heard from non-family members. Krista, I could never explain how that felt.” She was polite. Here’s what she wrote about that night at Aisha’s. Some of it is due to the fact that I’m a Muslim and a lot is due to my personality. Jamie may have just made another big mistake, and our recap of 'Yellowstone' Season 3, Episode 9, 'Meaner Than Evil,' reveals what it was. I was looking through this Jet magazine, in case you didn’t know it features African-American issues. But he’s mentioned this guy to me multiple times. She’s going to lose her son forever. The irony of this is that my father and mother will probably sleep better at night if I had truly done this and I told them the reason why I’m in prison is because I’ve done this. We went inside and Adnan was sitting at the kitchen table crying. No there’s like blank. This is our final episode this season, so we have some special thank yous. Krista, I could never explain how that felt, “Your honor, I would ask that this honorable court, if it would consider this case more a crime of passion than of intent to kill.” From, “I’m just sorry for all the pain that this has caused everyone.”. To review for a sec. Our theme song is by Nick Thorburn, who also provided additional scoring. If the “she’s dead, come and get me” call wasn’t at 2:36 maybe it’s the next incoming call on the log, the 3:15 call. So it’s just he’s a normal, kind person. Oh my god what happened?” I’m not doubting anyone’s. Privacy Policy | Terms of Use, Play Season One: Episode 09: To Be Suspected. He was a clerk in the Chaplain's Office which gave him access to a computer, and to a printer and copier. You go in and are more aware of your surroundings than just walking into the store. Jay’s friend Chris said he heard the crime happened in the parking lot of the Woodlawn Public Library. Sarah Koenig Episode nine, “Enemies By Monday,” kicks off with Kayce (Luke Grimes) and Dan Jenkins’ bodyguard sneak into the hanger and drop a bomb into … MacGillivary was being more so aggressive with me, like, “we know what you did”, and Ritz was more so like-- at some point I think he said “man, it would help out a lot if you would just tell us what you did.” I said “I was never mad at Hae, what are you guys talking about? Aisha had broken the terrible news to to Krista. Sarah Koenig This, by the way, is what Jim Trainum calls “Offering a Theme.” You give the suspect an explanation, one that minimizes the crime as a starting point. On the night of February 10, 1999, Aisha had broken the terrible news to to Krista about Hae’s body being found. To be a seventeen-year-old kid in this situation with no experience with the system, no experience with any of this stuff, it’s very difficult to believe in the early stages that this is actually what’s happening. And from Squarespace an all-in-one website platform. Sarah Koenig It’s impossible. Sarah Koenig I didn’t say much to anyone, no one said much to me. Another said he was so sad that he was barely functioning. Let me put it to you like this - I’ve seen more than I’d wanted to of a lot of people’s wives or girlfriends to last a lifetime. One teacher said he was tense and unresponsive when she gave him a hug. Man, some guys in here get some really dirty pictures.